Dr. Gary Gilley’s Review
Bob DeWaay’s Review
John Samson’s Reviews here and here
Cindy’s Review, from No Ordinary Faith Blog
Warning: This book contains blasphemous, explicit sexual language for the purpose of describing a believer’s relationship, “Holy Fulfilling” to the Almighty, Eternal, Holy and Righteous Triune God, which is one reason it is in this library. It is a twisted mockery and misinterpretation of The Holy Word of God and of great, past reformers and theologians, like Edwards and Spurgeon, who wrote with contemporary language of their day, not ours. Thus, the reviews do contain quotes from the book for biblical examination only. Fasten your seat belts and say a prayer to be able to ‘stomach it.’
Seriously, the pages I read at Amazon and the excerpts in reviews, was enough to discern its sensuality and paganism. It’s as if this is a romance novel for bored Christian women… with the subject eventually being the L**d. I can’t… No. I won’t even type it here. The first sentences of Chapter 1, right off, made me feel like, “Eeeks, should I be reading this!? This is supposed to be Christian, biblical, and yet this can’t be leading to anything of spiritual value. Quite the opposite is true. It is appealing to the flesh! This isn’t biblical!” Is describing one’s birth in such a manner really appropriate for a Christian book? It is unnecessarily descriptive for shock value to immediately draw the reader in… in a barbaric, primeval, seductive, sensual way. In Mk 7:21-23, Rom 13:13 and Eph 4:19, sensuality is to be put off along with the “old man.” Further, the tool of sensuality is something that Peter describes false teachers using, in 2 Pt 2:2. We see this specifically with the profuse practice of new spirituality infesting the church with mystical techniques such as contemplative prayer, repeated prayers, lectio divina, yoga, labyrinths, prayer candles and the like. She seems to have an infatuation for the word “blood,” as well. Her sensual descriptions of stroking her dad’s hair and that of her brother-in-law’s visit at the back door are just the beginning of sensuality unraveling out of control in this book. As I mentioned, at the end of the spool of thread, it poisonously affects one’s image of a redeemed relationship with the L**d. Offering such words to a reader that conjure up revolting, sexual imagery with our Holy God is a far cry from “a holy experience,” the name of Ann’s blog. Rather, it is a sinfully disturbing one.
In addition, I noted: 1) a statement “after baptism…” her journey began. Something to that affect. As if that is the moment of salvation as the Church of Christ denomination wrongly believes; But in this case, it was an infant “christening.” So, nothing mattered before the christening? The value of life itself as given by the Creator? And salvation does not occur at infant baptism which is, according to the Scriptures, for believers only; 2) a tribute to a Catholic writer, Chesterton; 3) a claim that the author hears/heard God audibly, like Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, which always undermines the sufficiency and supremacy of Scripture, while pointing to Gnosticism. What’s with the female gnosticism in Christianity? Allow me to inform you. It’s another false movement in and of itself, which is contributed to and published by Lifeway Christian Stores!
Overall, with such sexual writings of these ‘encounters’ of “Holy Fillings,” finding herself with God, “in Paris,” the romance capital of the world for lovers, I am lead to believe this author has one seriously tainted imagination, is experimenting with contemplative prayer (demonic influence falsely interpreted as divine during mystic, transcendental meditation) or both. Needless to say, beware, my sisters (and brothers) in the Lord.
To confirm that, her blog, a holy experience, does reveal the evidence of involvement with and promotion of transcendental meditation! Several pictures of prayer candles, in the form of a labyrinth, are present as well as the false teachings of pagan mystics like Phyllis Tickle, Brennan Manning, Richard Foster, Adele Ahlberg Calhoun, Henry Nouwen, etc., in authors/books being recommended.
Lighthouse Trails’ Book Review
Extreme Theology’s Research
Pyromaniacs here, here, here and here
Apprising Ministries Reports on Emergent Proponent, Dan Kimball
Dr. John MacArthur on McLaren and the Emergent Church here (part 1) and here (part 2)
Dr. Gary Gilley on the Heresies of the Emergent Church here (part 1), here (part 2) and here (Part 3)
Randy Shelton’s mp3 on Contemplative Spirituality
SO4J’s Interview with Bob DeWaay on the Emergent Church
Bob DeWaay’s mp3 on the Emergent Church
Andy Olson’s Podcast with Bob DeWaay on the Emergent Church
Ray Yungen’s Book is HIGHLY Recommended
Ray Yungen’s pdf on Contemplative Prayer
Roger Oakland Resources, etc.
NOTE: Fighting for the Faith to air on November 12, 2010 with Chris Rosebrough’s Latest Report on Dan Kimball.
UPDATE: (11-12-10): Chris has requested that if you want to hear the broadcast, it will be available via his personal facebook page. He is suggesting to friend request him to listen in. In a nut shell, it was not a report for any public announcements personally by Dan Kimball, as we had hoped, denouncing his public, false teachings and association with the mystic, false gospel and practices of the Emergent Church. Rather, it was a recap of Chris’ understanding of a personal conversation between the two of them. Chris believes Kimball to be a “brother in Christ” from this dialogue and refers to him as such as well as a “friend.” Chris placed him “in the same camp as Mark Driscoll,” which appears to be a good thing for Chris, but rather problematic in and of itself, given the fact that Driscoll is a type of hip, relevant, post-modern, missional, church growth, seeker-sensitive, smutty showman, emergent in an “emerging lane” and has a moderate track record in displaying his lack of the fear of God, for example, here (Dr. MacArthur’s article, The Rape of Solomon’s Song), WARNING Driscoll’s MH-17 website (promoting sodomy) and here (Phil Johnson’s sermon, Pornification of the Pulpit). And not to mention, some bad fruit books of his own that display his rank blasphemous terminology (books to be transferred from the fb group to the library).
Going further into the broadcast, we believers, who have not witnessed a confession, an account, a statement from Kimball, have been cautioned, just short of being accused, closely insinuating, or where we actually accused by Chris Rosebrough, as “bearing false witness” against “our brother, Dan Kimball?” Hugh? How can we, those who do not accept Kimball as a brother in the Lord, but rather as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, of the “emerging lane,” Emergent Church variety, take such a caution seriously when no public announcements or pro-active measures, like getting his bad fruit off the bookshelves, by Mr. Kimball, have been heard or seen? Until Dan Kimball makes a public statement, admitting to having been deceived, while deceiving many as a leader in the Church, and starts bearing fruit in keeping with repentance, abiding in Christ, there is NO “bearing false witness” against Chris’ friend present. To indicate such, is where the “bearing false witness” is.
Since Chris also mentioned speaking privately per telephone with Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries on the matter, quoting Mr. Silva from that conversation on the broadcast, Mr. Silva has received feedback from listeners and wishes to clarifiy his position here.
May it be so, that Dan Kimball is a brother in the Lord by God’s grace, and will set the record straight for the Body of Christ, publicly, without anyone having to do it for him. Also, may it be so, by God’s grace, that Chris Rosebrough is not being deceived by the Emergent Church Movement (Mt 24:24). Let’s keep them in our prayers. All glory to God!
UPDATE II: (11-16-10): A second broadcast of Fighting for the Faith (F4F) aired yesterday with Chris Rosebrough providing a public platform for Dan Kimball to plead his case in his own defense as well as Chris’ endorsement of such. Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries also has this broadcast recorded in transcript form here. Chris covered all the areas of interest pertaining to Kimball, and in some cases, ‘leading the witness,’ in the interview. This time with Dan Kimball speaking publicly for himself, as opposed to the last episode, which was very much appreciated, but quite sadly WITHOUT RECANT and Chris still in Kimball’s contrary-to-Scripture corner.
But before hearing the actual episode, I saw a status by Chris on facebook with an alarming link to Lausanne’s statement of faith. I responded much like this, “A statement of faith from Lausanne??? Chris, this may be a silly question for you, but were you aware that Lausanne is ecumenical, affiliated with the heretical New Apostolic Reformation(NAR)/Vineyard/Third Wave Movement and that the heretical spiritual warfare movement that Neil T. Anderson promotes was a spin off from the Lausanne II conference? source Also, I respectfully disagree with you (Chris) that their Statement of faith is a “generic orthodox Christian doctrine.” For one, it is extremely wordy and ‘cuts and pastes’ the seemingly essentials all over the place, as if to be confusing and hard to track. I believe this is intentional. The essentials they covered were lacking. When addressing Scripture, it should be noted “66 books” and “Scripture in its original autographs” which they do not. So, this is a major problem. They lean heavy on a type of ecumenical evangelism that will retake dominion for Jesus, as one can see with all their points for “evangelism.” They also made sure they stated “God loves everyone,” which He doesn’t. A Statement of faith should not be complicated and scattered. It was like playing a crossword puzzle to find and circle the essentials in all the wordiness. It should be very basic and easy for an older child to read and understand.”
That connection of Kimball with Lausanne, a new layer as far as we knew, is a serious blow for their defense. Basically, it shatters it. Here’s another sampling of the heretical movement. Here is an article from Lighthouse Trails on this very topic. article excerpt: ”The break-away emergents (Kimball, McManus, etc.) see themselves as more conservative orthodox members of the emergent movement, but in reality they embrace the same mysticism and the same eschatology beliefs that have led McLaren and others like him into radical apostasy.”
Overall, there was no repentance, from Dan Kimball, of Vintage Faith Church, as we had hoped and prayed, just plenty of rationalizations on hand.In response to the Lectio Divina issue, he said it means something for him that is not the historical meaning. He understands it to mean, from Latin, “holy reading” while adding, “from the Scriptures.” In regards to Kimball’s statement, “repeating a Bible verse 3 or 4 times, to calm down,” Dan Kimball asked, “What the heck was wrong with that? ..it was not mindless… and that was my experience and how I defined it.” Chris and Kimball are saying that pagan mysticism is not ok, but out of the same mouths assert that “pausing for a second and letting God’s Word speak in a way to stop for a moment to think and ponder the things of God and His Word” is ok. My response. These quotes by Chris and Kimball are riddled with the teachings of pagan mysticism, not orthodox Christianity. In addition, Kimball still thinks his article on labyrinths is ok and moving a salt crystal around on a map, over different countries, to represent that believers are the “salt,” while praying for the people of the countries (this was a new one to me) is also ok. This has been criticized for being a practice of witchcraft. I agree.
I heard Chris give his blessing to all of Dan’s responses/rationalizations, without repentance from Dan, for these types of pagan practices, while turning the tables on other discernment ministries. Not that there aren’t bad ones out there. There most certainly are! However, that is not the topic at hand that needs to be dealt with. Let’s stay on topic!
A perfect opportunity was given for the gospel to be presented when Chris thoughtfully and consistently asked Kimball as he does with all guests of his show, “What does it mean when Christ proclaimed, ‘It is finished,’ on this cross?”A soft ball question for a ‘pastor’ and his answer was highly lacking of any scriptural text and fumbly bumbly with Dan asking, “Well, if that’s what you meant?” As if he was unsure of his answer! How could the question be made any simpler and clearer? ”What did Christ mean when He said, ‘It is finished,’ on the cross?” I encourage us to take every opportunity, obvious or not so obvious, to share the gospel in boldness and confidence. By His Spirit, we can! Shouldn’t a pastor, in particular, be really good at this?
This interview, much like Chris’ report on the Ed Young Jr.’s response to the local news about his private plane, was more condemning than the original report.Now, we know there is no repentance in the heart of Dan Kimball and that he agrees with a statement of faith with another false movement, Lausanne… with Chris’ endorsement.
“Out of the mouth flows what is in the heart,” indeed, Chris and Dan. I do agree with you on that biblical truth.
“The first to plead his case SEEMS right, UNTIL another comes and examines him.” ~Pro 18:17
I encourage this hard working pirate, Chris Rosebrough, who we love and care for, in Christ, to take a step down from the helm of his discernment ship, for how ever long it needs to be, and humbly go to our Lord and Savior, Jesus. His discernment is lacking of late and causing confusion in the Body of Christ. Dan Kimball is a false-movements-in-the-Church hopper who I would also like to encourage with Col 1:10-11, which is possible if he is one of God’s own. But firstly, I would encourage him in 2 Cor 13:5, as well as myself, and all who profess to be a believer, to be sure to do the same. Otherwise, 1 Jn 2:4 applies. I pray that Chris’ statement, “Where I make errors, I have to repent and change what I do,” will be the case for Chris as well as for each of us, as the Lord leads us, in all areas of our lives, so that we will be counted as faithful, by God’s grace, being an example to all believers and walking in a manner worthy of the Lord and His gospel, for His Name.
CHECK THIS OUT! An Excellent Episode of Crosstalk, POST F4F INTERVIEW, with host Ingrid Schlueter and guest Deborah Dombrowski of Lighthouse Trails. Together they examine and expose Dan Kimball’s work, a “Bridger” to the heretical Emergent Church and their mysticism practices. Others discussed include Brian McLaren, Rick Warren, Rob Bell, Leonard Sweet, Frank Viola, etc.